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Mönsterås / SV: Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-21, 20:25 »
Thank you! That is amazing- I never thought to check in the seaman's records. Did you look there because his father was a sailor?
Now I must search in the UK....thank you again!

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Mönsterås / SV: Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-21, 11:25 »
Thank you Maud!
Do you have any suggestions for finding any other trace of him? I would think that if he's in the confirmation record he should be in the household surveys somewhere- but he isn't in the ArkivDigital indexes- do you think it's worth going through the 1871 household survey for Maria page by page? Is it likely that the indexers missed him? Thanks!

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Mönsterås / SV: Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-20, 18:09 »
While looking for something else in the moving-in records for Maria parish in Stockholm I have just unexpectedly found another record of the missing Gustaf Constans..he arrived there on 1870-12-29. I can read most of this....but can anyone help me with the note on the right side of the page, which is on the second attached image. What does it say about 1871 there? Thank you!

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Katarina / SV: Katarina street name question
« skrivet: 2024-09-18, 13:34 »
Thank you, Ulf!
What it says about the nearby alley being home to shipyard workers makes sense because the dead person in the record was a sailor.
Thanks!

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Katarina / Katarina street name question
« skrivet: 2024-09-17, 20:02 »
Hello
The attached image is from a death record from Katarina in 1874.( Katarina (A, AB) FI:23 (1874-1878) Image: 67 Page: 17)
Can anyone confirm for me what the street name is? it looks like Nyngatan 32.  I know there's a Stora Nygatan, but I believe that's in Gamla Stad, not Katarina. And- would the street have the same name today?
Also_ I'm reading the novel City of My Dreams, set in 1860s Stockholm, and there are several references to Nyagatan- would that be this street? It sounds from the novel like this was a very poor area.
Thanks for any help!

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Skatelöv / SV: Seeking death date for Pehr Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-15, 18:29 »
Thank you, Leif and Ulla!

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Skatelöv / Seeking death date for Pehr Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-14, 13:04 »
hello-

My morfar farfar farfar was Pehr Petersson, born Västra Torsås in 1744. He spent most of his life in Skatelöv, however. He moved from Skatelöv to Kalvsvik in 1815, and then in 1819 back to Skatelöv. His wife, Anna Lofvingsdotter, died in Skatelöv 1826-04-18, and she is listed as a widow.
My problem is that I can find no death record for Pehr- I have gone through the death records for both Skatelöv and Kalvsvik very carefully and found nothing- have also checked the bouppteckningar index. Any suggestions? Is it likely that his death just wasn't recorded?
I attach the final record I have of him, leaving Kalvsvik in 1819 and returning to Skatelöv. One other question: what is the abbreviation in front of his name in this record? He's 5th from the bottom.
Thank you!

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General questions / SV: Ida Charlotta Petersson- a mystery
« skrivet: 2024-09-12, 14:04 »
Here is Ida's letter.

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General questions / Ida Charlotta Petersson- a mystery
« skrivet: 2024-09-12, 14:01 »
I posted recently in the Mönsterås forum for help in tracking a great great uncle, Gustaf Constans Petersson, who vanished after 1870. Some helpful people replied, but Gustaf is still missing. In my replies there, I mentioned Gustaf's sister, who is also a mystery, and a rather more complex one. So this is a posting about her, and it is rather a long one.

Ida Charlotta Petersson was born in Mönsterås 24 November 1859. Her mother died in 1862 and her father Magnus Petersson was a sailor who was often away. Magnus had two sons with another woman before he died in 1874; one of those sons was my morfarfar. I think Magnus may have abandoned his first family: Ida Charlotta is listed as being in the fattighuset in Mönsterås in 1869. Later she went to Stockholm and there had a son, Gustaf Edmund on 1 September 1877. (Father unknown.)

 Ida went to America in November 1883, leaving Gustaf Edmund with a foster mother. She wrote one letter back, in January 1884, and was never heard from again. Gustaf Edmund kept that letter his entire life, but never found out what happened to his mother. Now the letter belongs to Gustaf's grandson, who I am trying to help find out about Ida, his farfarmor.

Ida provided an address: 2129 Summer Street, Philadelphia. Ive researched this and  a Swedish family named Anderson lived there and they let out rooms. Judging by newspaper ads in Philadelphia in the 1880s and 90s, other Swedes used the house as a place to pick up mail (there are several ‘situations wanted’ ads that list the address as a contact point.)
-She also instructed that mail be addressed to ‘Miss Ida Marin.’ No idea where that name came from.
I have done a LOT of research in the USA and have found nothing. I won't go into detail about that here since this is a Swedish forum, but I can provide details of what I've searched there if anyone asks.

One possible big clue is in the emigration record  of 'Ida Marin' leaving Sweden for New York 30 April 1886, of about the right age, and she appears also on the lists arriving in New York 17 May 1886. My current theory is that Ida came back to Sweden and decided that little Gustaf was better off with the foster mother, and so left without letting him know that she was there. (Which sounds like a soap opera storyline) If that was the case, she must have talked with the foster mother who agreed not to tell Gustaf.
Or- Ida simply died after writing one letter back.
 
I attach below the English translation of Ida's letter.
I would be grateful for any ideas or suggestions. Maybe thoughts on any way to establish who the 'Ida Marin' who sailed on 20 April 1886 was....
 Thank you!


Dear Mrs. Carlson,
I am very grateful for your letter, although I thought that nobody else should read my letter to Gustaf.
That is quite unnecessarily. I never planned to abandon him though I am in America. I did not run away,
even if I couldn't talk about a journey like that. I know best how I feel ashamed about myself. It hurts to
hear that little Gustaf misses me but please comfort him and say that I will come to him in 4 years. He
won't miss anything even if I am so far away. I hope he can stay where he is if I pay for him. The next
three months I won't be able to pay. As long as I don't speak the language I don't get much paid, but of
course I made the travel here to find my happiness.
You must understand I didn't want to run away from my child, who I think about both day and night. God
bless him and keep him healthy and everything will turn out well. You can be sure of that I won't forget
him.
I will send you money by the end of March and as long as I can. I am planning to learn tailoring, but the
letter I received which was read by all people made me very upset. I have become friend with a tailor.
That's why they are so jealous, so they don't know whatever jokes they are finding out for me.
As soon as I know the language good enough I will save myself from all the Swedes. This is a destructive
situation when they can get to you, they do.
Now I am finishing my letter with regards from me to little Gustaf, to you and all the others.
My address
Miss Ida Marin
Summer Str. 2129 Anderson
Philadephia
America
Please write me soon under this address

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Mönsterås / SV: Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-12, 13:22 »
Thank you so much for looking, Ulla.

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Mönsterås / SV: Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-11, 20:47 »
Hi Kristina
Thanks very much for your reply!
Yes, I've been researching this mystery for about 8 years now. We have no idea where the name 'Marin' came from-I have searched exhaustively in US records and have found no trace of Ida (or Gustaf Constans). That is the only letter she wrote back- there was no word after that. Little Gustaf Edmund kept that letter all his life, always wondering what happened to his mother. Now Ida's great-grandson has it...and when I visited him and his wife in Stockholm I got to hold it. I would really like to solve this for them, but it seems impossible.
I do have one new theory: that Ida Charlotta decided that little Gustaf was better off with foster parents and decided to give him up. I got this idea when I saw an "Ida Marin" of almost the right age sailing back to American from Sweden in 1886, 2 years after the letter. Perhaps she spoke with the foster mother and they agreed not to say anything to the child.

Anyway, I will write this up tomorrow as a separate post and see what people think- I'm not sure whether the Mönsterås forum is the right place for it, though....
Thanks again!  :)

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Mönsterås / SV: Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-11, 17:30 »
Hi Ulla

Thank you very much for looking: I put that info on FamilySearch. I am helping Ida Charlotta's great grandson with this mystery. Gustaf Edmund was his grandfather and Gustaf Edmund never knew what happened to his mother. I will create a new post about this mystery. I did ask Ida's great grandson if he ever heard of Gustaf Constans and he hadn't.
Thanks so much for looking into this  :)

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Mönsterås / SV: Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-10, 20:29 »
Hi Ulla

Thank you! yes, the moving out record is attached to my first message here. I think any note about Gustaf dying after 1870 is just because that's the last record of him- I have seen trees that show 'after 1870' as his death date. It's so frustrating. Gustaf's sister Ida Charlotta is also missing, I will need to make a separate post about that- it's a dramatic story because she went to America in 1883, wrote one letter back, and then disappeared forever, leaving a young son in Sweden who never discovered her fate. Another sister died in Oskarshamn in 1919, and her bouppteckningar lists both Gustaf and Ida, but says their location is unknown.
Thanks again :)

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Mönsterås / SV: Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-10, 11:34 »
Hi Ulla
Thanks very much for your reply. I'll attach the 1869 birth- it was for John Emil on April 26. The mother here was not Gustaf's mother, she had died in 1862.  Magnus got with Clara after that and they had another son (my morfarfar) in Oskarshamn on 1867-04-20. Magnus was a sailor, so moved around a lot.
It is only a guess that Gustaf came to Södertälje to join his father. I've never found any record for Magnus or Gustaf in Södertälje.
(I do have a moving-in record for Clara coming to Katarina from Södertälje in 1871 but it doesnt mention Magnus or her children.)  This whole family is a big puzzle!
Thanks!
Jack

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Mönsterås / Gustaf Constans Petersson
« skrivet: 2024-09-09, 15:54 »
My great grandfather's half brother, Gustaf Constans Petersson (born 21 May 1854) was born in Mönsterås and lived there until 1870, when he is shown in the moving-out records as leaving for Södertälje. The moving-in records for Södertälje are missing for that period, and I can find no trace of Gustaf anywhere after that. He is not in the dödbok on this website, he is not in the indexes on ArkivDigital, he completely disappeared. I have also searched emigration records, and can find no trace of him there, either, although his absence from the dödbok tells me he probably did emigrate. There is a Gustaf Petersson from Mönsterås who left for Racine, Wisconsin in 1882, but I've established that he's a different Gustaf...

His father Magnus was a sailor, and had another son born in Södertälje in 1869, so I'm guessing Gustaf was going there to join his father (and his father's girlfriend.)
Any suggestions for where I might find Gustaf Constans and discover his fate? Thank you!

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Bildgåtan - Uniformer och medaljer / SV: Uniform in old photo
« skrivet: 2024-09-06, 17:09 »
Thank you, Maud!

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Bildgåtan - Uniformer och medaljer / Uniform in old photo
« skrivet: 2024-09-05, 15:14 »
This unidentified man is in an old family photo album. The photographer was C F Linge of Stockholm who was in operation 1866-1880. My question is about his clothing- I have assumed that this was a railway signalman's uniform- do you think that's right, or could it be something else? Thanks!

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General questions / SV: Location of Death in Brännkyrka
« skrivet: 2024-09-02, 18:35 »
Thank you! Yes, Magnus was my great great grandfather, though they never married. He died just 2 years after she did. He was a sailor, and I have wondered if her being at Ekensberg, which I was told had a shipyard, had anything to do with him.

Yes, my understanding is that Clara was a visitor at Ekensberg, but I'll check those pages and just see if I recognize any names, maybe of her relatives.

Thanks for responding!

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General questions / Location of Death in Brännkyrka
« skrivet: 2024-09-02, 16:54 »
Hello
My great great grandmother Clara Sofia Ericsson died 30 March 1872 in Stockholm. I will attach the record. Cause of death is 'no outside violence' which I assume means no marks on the body, which also indicates that she was found (maybe?)...it also states that she lived at 42 Pilsgatan but died at Ekensberg in Brännkyrka. I've been told that it says she died at an apartment in Ekensberg...I've also been told that Ekensberg was a shipyard.
I'd really just like to get a clearer idea of the circumstances around her death....if she died in apartment there, does this provide enough information for me to maybe go through the mantals list and see who was living there that she might have been visiting?
The death was recorded in Katarina, so I'm assuming that that's where her regular residence was (42 Pilsgatan.) The death isn't listed in the Brännkyrka book.
Thanks for any ideas or suggestions!

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Hi
I'm excited to see this-3 years later!
 Anton Oskar Hjalmar Petersson was my morfarfar. He was born to sailor Magnus Petersson and Clara Sofia Eriksson. Clara died in 1872, and Magnus died March 3, 1874. That's when the certificate was sent to Carl H Westerberg. Westerberg was married to Clara's sister Maria Charlotta. I think Hjalmar stayed with them 6 months and then to Stenkyrka in September 1874 where he lived with his father's brother until 1881 when he left for America.

I posted the photos on Portrait Find...the album was Hjalmar's but I can't identify most of the people in it. (he dropped the name Anton.) The picture I attach here I think might be Magnus.
Jack

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