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[Todd Mason]

I need more help, please. I found my gg grandfather, Otter Olsen b 1819 in Elverum, in the 1865 census in Norway. Google is translating his occupation, nybygger, as settler, Does that mean he farmed land he owned? Also, the census says his farm was named Storsberg Halden in Elverum parish. The closest match I find is Storsberghallen. Rolf was kind enough to find the birth record of his daughter, Marthe, linked above but I can't make out what it says about where they lived.
 
His wealth might resolve a family mystery. My great grandmother, Marthe Ottersdatter, had a daughter out of wedlock in 1869. According to family stories, Marthe at age 26 in 1873 emigrated by herself with the child and a spinning wheel. Her family followed, her brother Anton first, and then her parents Otter Olsen and his wife Johanne. But it is possible that Anton and Marthe came together. Marthe had married my great great grandfather, Bernt Johansen Smalberget, by then, in 1874, so the question was whether he sent for her, or her family or both. Could they have known each other, he in Smalberget, and her in Elverum? Again, if her family had money, my great grandfather's family probably did not.  
 
The illegitmate daughter's name in the US was Inge Jonette. The father was Martinus Hansen according to Jonette's obituary.
 
Thanks again. And my apologies. Americans expect everyone else to speak English.

[Mikael Andreasson]

Dear Todd  
Storbergshallen is not that far from Smalberget some 15-20 km stright line.
where they meet?
 
1865 I find Marthe Ottersdtrage age 19 working at the farm Schulstad.  
Birth date is given as 1847.
 
1865 her father and mother (I guess you already have this)is living at
Storbergshalden. Otter is noted as a settler and it is telling that he has  
taken up the farm from the forest. He have one Sheep and one Goat he sowed
1/8 barrel mixed grain and 1 1/2 potatoes.  
 
I can not find Marthas or Jonette in the emigration register i have.
Anton Ottersen got the attest 1873-05-13
Her mother and father together with two sisters Johanne and Thea got there attest 1875-08-31.
 
I looked a bit closer at Storbergshalden and it seams there was 3 new farms establised there  
since all is noted as settlers in 1865 census.  
Johan Otters 27 years 1865 a son of Otter? with wife and 2 children sowed 1/8 barrel potatos no animals
Ole Jörgens 43 years 1865 with wife and 6 children he had one cow 3 sheeps and sowed or 2 1/2 barrel of potatoes
Otter Ols 47 years 1865 your relative with wife and 4 children
 
In that time 1860 there where not much good land left and at around that time the hunger and
powerty was huge. People starved to death, many tried to leave and America was the dream.
 
I have relatives in that area and from Fall, Falltorp same line as you and Järpeliden.
 
wish you a nice trip there it is a fine area where i spent some time looking after old farms
and family
 
Regards
Mikael

[Björn Sonesson]

Todd did ask: Does that mean he farmed land he owned?  
 
Yes, it does mean generally in this area that he owned this land and I think he did.  
 
But in other areas of Scandinavia other settlers didn't owned the land. In Halland for example, more of both the farmers, tennants and crofters was often only users not owners. The big estates with patrons and similar gentry didn't exist in most of Norway and not in the more forestry parts of Sweden, Norrland and the inner part of middle Sweden.

[Todd Mason]

In the 1875 census and later, I don't find Storbergshalden, Johan Ottersen or Ole Jorgensen. I do find Augustinus Hansen in 1875 as owner of Farm number 344i, similar to Storbergshalden's number, called Lilleveen then. Do farm names change names with new ownership?
 
Hansen was the father of great grandmother's first daughter. Would you please check the church records for Inge Johnette Augustinusen (datter), who was born 24 Apr 1869 and baptized 18 July 1869 in Elverum parish. Does the record say if Martinus and Marthe were living together, and where? The family story is that Hansen couldn't pay for passage so Marthe and Jonette emigrated alone. Was illegimacy a major stigma then? Obviously the father acknowledged the baby. Hansen was a servant in the 1865 census on a farm called Hobsveen.

[Todd Mason]

The father was Augustinus Hansen. I am not sure why I keep writing Martinus. Sorry

[Örjan Olsson]

Hej!
Min fm mf fm Walborg Thomasdotter blev gift 1805-06-09 med Olof Eriksson Tenhuinen f. 1770 från Uggelheden i Norra Finnskoga. Fr o m år 1800 finns hon med i Uggelheden och senare i Höljes husförhörslängder med födelseår 1772, och födelseplats Liden eller i nåt fall Kringsberget.
Jag lyckas dock inte hitta någon Walborg Thomasdotter f 1772 i Liden eller Kringsberget.  
Däremot finns en Walborg Thomasdotter född 1781-04-08 i Kringsberget  (Dalby C:2(1778-1819)Bild 16/sid 20). Hon står senare som född 1780 i husförhörslängderna (Dalby AI:7(1794-1799)Bild 73/sid 67).
Någon som har kännedom i huruvida detta kan vara en och samma Walborg Thomasdotter och att födelseåret i senare kyrkböcker är fel? Alternativt känner till nån Walborg Thomasdotter född 1772.
mvh Örjan

[Göran Stenström]

Hej!
Jag har en gubbe som heter Daniel Hindriksson och han ska vara född 1792 i Löberget, Södra Finnskoga, men var hittar man det vid den tiden?
 
Mvh
Göran Stenström

[Siv Johansson]

Göran, det är svårt veta vart man ska leta när du inte uppger vart dina uppgifter kommer ifrån. Men jag skulle gissa att du bör titta i Dalby, och det finns en Daniel Hindriksson som är född 1791 25/4 i Aspberget.
Källa: Dalby C:2 (1778-1819) Bild 38 / sid 64.
Mvh Siv

[Göran Stenström]

Hej Siv!
Tack för hjälpen! Det kanske är rätt gubbe du hittade i Aspberget och jag följde honom till Norge. I utflyttningslängden från Norge 1829 står det att han är född i Sverige. I Södra Finnskoga AI:2 1831-1836 sid 155 dit han kom står både Löberget och Norge som födelseort men Norge kan ju strykas nu, kanske även Löberget om den Daniel du hittade är rätt. Jag följde honom i Dalby till Norge och ska nu försöka knyta ihop trådarna där för att se om det stämmer och det gör det nog, hoppas jag!
 
Löfberget som det står är visst en plats i Norge som det ser ut så nu kan även Löberget som jag trodde det stod avskrivas!
 
Mvh
Göran
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Stenis 2013-12-16 17:26)

[Johan R. Honkainen Gyllenspetz]

Jag har sett att flera personer i husförhörslängden för S Finnskoga 1829-1832 uppges vara födda i Fallet. Vet någon vilken ort som avses med detta Fallet?

[Mikael Andreasson]

Hej Johan
 
se under rubriken
Anbytarforum » Länder » Norge » Fylke: Hedmark » Fallet, gård på norsk/svenska gränsen.

[Johan R. Honkainen Gyllenspetz]

Tack så mycket Mikael!
 
Om jag förstått rätt låg Fallet i Dalby, och är eventuellt identiskt med Falltorp i Södra Finnskoga (Södra Finnskoga utbröts ju ur Dalby 1831).

[Garth Ulrich]

Is it possible to find the parents of Olof Olsson and his wife Lisa Olsdotter who lived in S. Finnskoga? They had a son Olof born there on 19 Sep 1825 Liden.

[Garth Ulrich]

I would like to locate living descendants of Hilmer Henriksson (1887-1943) and his wife Vilhelmina Nilsdotter who lived at Skallbäcken.
 
Their known children were:
-Ville 1916
-Hilder 1918
-Ellen 1921
-Ivar 1921
-Rune 1927

[Monica E Nilsson]

Hello Garth!
 
I have found this information, in the Swedish deadCD 1901-2009
 
Henriksson, Ernst Ville
Dead 15 june, 1976.
Kyrkobokförd (1970) i Hammarö, Hammarö kn (Värmlands län, Värmland). Mantalsskriven (1970) på samma ort.
Born 15 april  1916 i Södra Finnskoga (Värmlands län, Värmland)
unmarried
 
Henriksson, Hildur Minnie
Dead 30 march 2009.
Folkbokförd i Södra Finnskoga, Torsby kn (Värmlands län, Värmland).
Born 15 march 1918 i Östmark (Värmlands län, Värmland).
unmarried
 
[color=0000ff]Haglund, Ellen Valborg f. Henriksson[/color]
[color=0000ff]Dead 5 may, 1995[/color]
[color=0000ff]Kyrkobokförd i Södra Finnskoga, Torsby kn (Värmlands län, Värmland)[/color]
[color=0000ff]Born 25 januari 1921 i Södra Finnskoga (Värmlands län, Värmland)[/color]
[color=0000ff]Married 23 juni 1942[/color]
 
[color=0000ff]Husband[/color]
[color=0000ff]Haglund, Arvid[/color]
[color=0000ff]Dead 23 october 2008[/color]
[color=0000ff]Folkbokförd i Södra Finnskoga, Torsby kn (Värmlands län, Värmland[/color]
[color=0000ff]Born 23 april 1918 i Södra Finnskoga (Värmlands län, Värmland[/color]
[color=0000ff]Married 23 juni 1942[/color]
 
Henriksson, Karl Ivar
Dead 13 may 1987.
Kyrkobokförd (1978) i Nyskoga, Torsby kn (Värmlands län, Värmland). Mantalsskriven (1978) på samma ort.
Born 27 december 1921 i Södra Finnskoga (Värmlands län, Värmland).
Unmarried
 
Henriksson, Alf Rune
Dead 2 november 1993.
Kyrkobokförd i Södra Finnskoga, Torsby kn (Värmlands län, Värmland).
Born 9 februari 1927 i Södra Finnskoga (Värmlands län, Värmland).
Unmarried
 
Regards Monica Nilsson

[Garth Ulrich]

Thanks very much Monica!
 
Can you tell me if it is possible then to find if Arvid Heglund and his wife Ellen Valborg (f. Henriksson) had any children?
 
 
Thanks again,
Garth

[Monica E Nilsson]

Hello Garth!
 
I have found two children to the parents. I will send you a personal e-mail with the details as I can't write them in the  
forum beacause of the Swedish personal integrity.
 
Regards Monica Nilsson

[Garth Ulrich]

Emma Kristina Henriksdotter married in Södra Finnskoga on 07 June 1913. Can someone tell me the name of the man that she married?
 
Thanks!

[Siv Johansson]

Garth, none with that name is married during 1910-1920 in Södra Finnskoga. Do you have any birthdate for her?
Mvh Siv

[Arne Granquist]

Garth
Emma Kristina, sister of above mentioned Hilmer Henriksson
 
 
Nyskoga E:2 (1895-1943) Bild 27 / sid 19 (AID: v178445.b27.s19, NAD: SE/VA/13411)
Marriage  #3 17 June 1913
 
Karl Fredrik Eriksson of Skrockeberget S Finnskoga  born 9 March 1884 Södra Finnskoga
Emma Kristina Henriksson of Norra Viggen Nyskoga born 16 March 1894 Nyskoga
 
Södra Finnskoga AIIa:2 (1912-1920) Bild 2680 / sid 258 (AID: v179086.b2680.s258, NAD: SE/VA/13531)
at Skrockeberget
Karl Fredrik Eriksson  9 March 1884
Emma Kristina Henriksson  16 March 1894
 
Södra Finnskoga FI:6 (1913-1928) Bild 24 / sid 20 (AID: v179097.b24.s20, NAD: SE/VA/13531)
Death  14 Oct 1918
Emma Kristina Eriksson b Henriksson, husband Karl Fredrik Eriksson at Skrockeberget
cause Tuberculosis   dead at Arvika hospital  buried in Arvika
 
Arne

[Garth Ulrich]

Tack Arne!
 
Is it possible to find if Karl and Emma had any children?
 
 
Garth

[Martina Jonsson]

Såg att det år 2008 fanns uppgifter på anbytarforum om denna familj, men vill hjälpa till att komplettera familjen i Mackartjärn i samband med min släktforskning åt Kajsas systers barnbarn Gunvor Linzie.
 
 
Nils Nilsson, född 30/1 1871 i S:a Finnskoga, död 28/3 1945 i Vaxholm. Gift 7/10 1892 med Kajsa Henriksdotter, född 29/4 1871 i Nyskoga, död 7/6 1952 i Dunderberget, Fredriksberg, Säfsnäs.
 
Deras 12 barn:  
 
1) Hilma g Jonsson, född 29/3 1891 i Nyskoga, död 21/10 1962 i Skråckarberget, S:a Finnskoga.  
2) Martin Nilsson, född 10/1 1893 i Nyskoga, död 6/9 1917 i Mackartjärn, S:a Finnskoga (lunginflammation).  
3) August, född 14/3 1895 i Nyskoga, död 12/5 1899 i S:a Finnskoga (lunginflammation).  
4) Nils Nilsson, född 24/2 1898 i S:a Finnskoga, död 30/4 1968 i Dunderberget, Fredriksberg.  
5) Karl Alfred Nilsson, född 7/7 1900 i S:a Finnskoga, död 10/6 1982 i Solna.  
6) Signe g Martinsson, född 8/8 1902 i S:a Finnskoga, död 26/6 1961 i Nainskvarn, Malung.  
7) Ole, född 9/3 1905 i S:a Finnskoga (tvilling), död 18/5 1905 (orsak okänd).  
Harald Nilsson, född 9/3 1905 i S:a Finnskoga (tvilling), död 26/2 1987 i Storå, Lindesberg.  
9) Anton Nilsson, född 9/7 1907 i S:a Finnskoga, död 9/11 1958 i Vaxholm.  
10) Alma g Magnusson, född 24/5 1909 i S:a Finnskoga, död 13/9 1986 i Kindsjön, Bograngen.  
11) Gerda, född 26/9 1910 i S:a Finnskoga (tvilling), död 29/4 1912 (orsak okänd).  
12) Ester, född 26/9 1910 i S:a Finnskoga (tvilling), död 25/10 1924 (tbc).

[Martina Jonsson]

Kan tilläggas att ovanstående Nils Nilsson född 30/1 1871 är inskriven i Östmarks födelsebok.

[Per Pettersson]

Garth!
 
Karl Fredrik and Emma didn't had any children!
 
Karl Fredrik died 1971 Oct 21 in Bograngen (S). He never remarried!
 
Per

[Garth Ulrich]

My ancestor was Olof Olsson born 19 Sep 1825 in Södra Finnskoga. His parents were Olof Olsson and Lisa Olsdotter (f. 1799). Is it possible to find the parents of Olof and Lisa?
 
Many thanks,
Garth

[Garth Ulrich]

And a second question-
 
Is it possible to find the parents of Karin Hansdotter Hiiroinen born 1795 in Södra Finnskoga. (She later married Erik Persson Hamalinen).
 
Many thanks,
Garth

[Siv Johansson]

Garth, do you have any more information of karin Hansdotter Hiiroinen, ex when she married?
Mvh Siv

[Siv Johansson]

Gath, where in S Finnskoga did Olof Olsson born 1825 lived?
Mvh Siv

[Siv Johansson]

Gath, I´ve found there parents: Olof Olsson b 1799 1 sept in Ny parish (birth records), Öijeberg, father Olof Hindersson and mother Anna Hindersdotter.
 
- Lisa Olsdotter b. 1799 in Kringsberget, S Finnskoga. According to Household examination 1800-1805 in Dalby parish har father was Olof Thomasson b. 1767 and her mother Marit Hindricsdotter b. 1758
 
Yours Siv

[Garth Ulrich]

Siv, Thank you very  much for the names of the parents of Olof Olsson and Lisa Olsdotter.
 
I am sorry, but I don;t know much else about Karin Hansdotter Hiiroinen born 1795 in Södra Finnskoga. Only that she married Erik Persson Hamalinen and one of their children was Anna Eriksdotter/Ersdotter born 31 Jul 1821 in Södra Finnskoga.