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[Andrew Cohen]

Per,
 
Thanks for the additional information! Below is what I turned up from ANNO 1890:
 
Homeparish: Ytterlännäs
Residence: Näs
County: Västernorrland
Year of birth: 1842
Place of birth:  
Parish of birth: Linneryd Kronob. län
August Widerström b. 1842, garfvare
Cajsa Brita Grahn b. 1837
Johan Wallfrid b. 1875
Gustaf Otto b. 1877
Emma Katarina b. 1873
 
I placed a query in Linneryd but they only turned up 3 Augusts, none with surname Widerstrom, so I guess I am stuck there. Would like to find Johan Wallfrid in the US. I have possible coming through Ellis Island 1894 but not sure. Gustaf Otto came into Boston 1902, looking for older brother. Never found him.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew

[Per Sundin]

The reason why Gustaf Otto never found his elder brother is probably that Johan Vallfrid returned to Sweden, married Ada Katarina Fälldin from Gudmundrå 1897 24/1 and became lineman in Gudmundrå and Högsjö.
August is born 1842 11/7 in Linneryd according to Hugo Fälldins Högsjöbor. If one of your three Augusts in Linneryd is born on a date resembling to this you might have found your ancestor(?) in spite his father's surname. August may have adopted the name Widerström himself.

[Andrew Cohen]

Per,
 
Excellent! Thanks for the great info! I will place query on the Linneryd board with the new info you have provided me.
 
Andrew

[Lennart Haglund]

Björn Thunberg & Per Sundin!  
Nu minns jag inte längre alla mina frågor, men alla har med er hjälp fått 'svar direkt' eller via hänvisning! Sån tur att ni finns! Mvh Lennart Haglund, Varberg

[Andrew Cohen]

Per,
 
One thing troubles me. Gustaf Otto didn't emigrate until 1902. If his brother returned to Sweden in 1997 to another parish in Angermanland, why wouldn't Gustaf know this himself? Lastly, can you verify the birthdate of March 25, 1877 for Gustaf Otto Widerstrom? He wrote this date on his petition for naturalization for US citizenshi.
 
Thanks,
 
Andrew

[Andrew Cohen]

Per,
 
Please see additional discussion on Gudmundrå board.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew

[Andrew Cohen]

Per,
 
Did you see immigration documentation that Johan Wallfrid actually returned to Sweden, or was that just an inference based on what I reported? Is it possible he never left, and Gustaf was referring to an older brother not in the household for the 1890 ANNO?

[Per Sundin]

It is possible. In that case he probably referred to an elder halfbrother. There are two named Carl Wilhelm and Nils August Grahn.

[Andrew Cohen]

Yes I agree this is a good possibility. Do you have their dates of birth? Its possible I can find them in the Ellis Island database. Thanks.
 
Cajsa Grahn was 5 years older than August, and 40 years old when Gustaf Otto was born. Perhaps her first husband died, she remarried August and had three more children in 1873, 1875, 1877.

[Andrew Cohen]

Also, do you have the name and DOB of the father of Carl Wilhelm and Nils August Grahn?

[Andrew Cohen]

Found - Nils August Grahn b.1868 in 1890 ANNO living at the time Nas Ytterlannas married to Brita Sophia b. 1865
 
Probably then it was Carl (Karl?) Wilhelm Grahn who emigrated. Are they any searchable Swedish databases for emigration? Is the Americanized version of this name Carl Green?

[Andrew Cohen]

Tourist Question:
 
Does the Ytterlännäs Church now reside in the town of Bollstabrok? What would be the best way to travel to Ytterlännäs from Stockholm, train or vehicle? Is the train station in Bollstabrok still operating? What types of accomodations are available for say, a family of four? Thanks.
 
-Andrew

[Per Sundin]

Nils August Grahn was not married to Brita Sophia in 1890. Brita Sophia was his sister. Their father was Carl August Grahn, b 1827 d 1870 2/2. Nils August married Barbara Sofia Nilsson from Sel in 1894 14/5. He was a worker in Näs and they had six children born 1894-1904.
Ytterlännäs church is situated a few km from Bollstabruk. Possibly the railway station is still operating, or Nyland. Otherwise you could go from Stockholm to Kramfors by train and from there by bus. Kramfors is situated less than 20 km south of Bollstabruk. The nearest hotel seems to be in Kramfors.

[Andrew Cohen]

Per,
 
Thnaks for clearing that up. This is starting to come together. Nils August Grahn was only 2 when his father died and 4 when his mother remarried Widerström. So Nils and Carl Wilhelm would have been raised with Widerström as the father and would explain why Gustaf Otto considered the Grahn's as his brothers. I am assuming Carl Wilhelm was a few years older than Nils. Anything on him, re: birthdate or movements?

[Andrew Cohen]

Oh I forget another thing. Is there any subsequent information on Gustaf Otto's sister, Emma Katarina Widerström?
 
Thanks, Andrew

[Per Sundin]

Emma Katarina married Nils Albert Sjödin 1907 1/1 and had six children with him. Nils Albert was a worker in Bollstabruk. Carl Wilhelm was born 1863 18/3 and seems to neither have been married nor died within the area. He might have been emigrating to the US.

[Andrew Cohen]

Thanks Per. Any chance on getting Emma and Nils children's information? I'm planning a trip to Sweden next summer and would really like to meet a relative. They don't know about Gustaf Otto's descendants in the US, because my grandmother was an only child and Gustaf died before my grandmother was married and had 5 children.  
 
Thanks,
Andrew

[Andrew Cohen]

Per,
 
Thanks to the crucial information you provided, I believe I have found Carl Grahn in the US. There are only 6 Carl Grahns in the April 1910 census. Only 3 were born in Sweden. One of them is a Carl W. Grahn (Wilhelm). His age is listed as 47, which matches perefectly for someone born in early 1863. He emigrated in 1888, settled in Essex Co, Mass, married Hilda in 1890, and had 4 children. I also found him in the 1930 census. He was 67 then but listed his occupation as an odd man in the LEATHER industry. Next I'll look for his emigration record out of Sweden, or a naturalization document in the US.
 
Incidently, can you obtain the death dates for August Widerstrom and Cajsa Brita Grahn?
 
Thanks,
 
Andrew

[Andrew Cohen]

Per,
 
Now I am not so sure. look what I found:
 
http://userdb.rootsweb.com/sweden/cgi-bin/search.cgi?main_id=2472053&database=Swedish%20Records&return_to=http://userdb.rootsweb.com/sweden/&submitter_id=
 
But maybe he left for US shortly after.
 
Andrew

[Per Sundin]

August died 1910 21/4 and Cajsa Brita 1901 24/12. I can give you the birth dates for Nila Albert's and Emma Catharina's children but no more. Some of them might be alive and there is good hope of finding more information in databases.
Nils Sjödin 18 februari 1907 Ytterlännäs
August Sjödin 18 februari 1907 Ytterlännäs
Karin Sjödin 9 mars 1908 Ytterlännäs
Johan Sjödin 1 oktober 1909 Ytterlännäs
Paul Sjödin 28 januari 1911 Ytterlännäs
Anna Sjödin 26 december 1912 Ytterlännäs

[Tord Lindh]

Two of these children has been found on the Swedish Death CD.
Johan Sjödin died 1987-02-27
Married 1945-11-71
Lived in Johanneshov, Enskede, Stockholm
 
Karin died 1982-10-28
Married Fahlen 1934-05-19
Lived in Sollefteå

[Andrew Cohen]

Thank you Tord. And thank you Per for your untiring effors in helping me. I have several potential ancestors to contact and you helped me tremendously to expand my family tree and learn more about my heritage.
 
Best regards,
 
Andrew

[Andrew Cohen]

Can someone please provide the exact DOB for Gustaf Otto Widerström b. 1877
 
Homeparish: Ytterlännäs
Residence: Näs
County: Västernorrland
 
Thanks,
 
Andrew

[Lennart Haglund]

Nils och Brita dubbelt upp!  
Kan någon i enkla ordalag förklara sammanhanget? Nils Olsson och Brita Abrahamsdotter dyker upp i min ansedel i 2 generationer:  
Som ff mf f i gen. V och som mm fm mf i gen. VI.
Är det samma par som får barn 1757-1753, först i Blästa och sedan i Ladmyran.  
Red ut begreppen den som kan - själv ser jag ut som en fågelholk i an-siktet!
Med vänliga förhoppningar!
Lennart Haglund, Varberg

[Lennart Haglund]

Rättelse om Nils och Brita!
1757 till 1783 sker barnafödandet!  
Ursäkta slarvet!
L Haglund

[Lennart Haglund]

Final för Nils & Brita.  
När allt kom till kritan var saken inte så märkvärdig som en nybörjare kunde få för sej.  
Det är ålderskillnaden mellan två barn i Nils och Britas kull som möjliggör förhållandet. Intressant ändå att min svärfar var kusin med svärmors mor -det lär dom inte ha observerat.  
Mvh Lennart Haglund, Varberg

[Lennart Haglund]

Okunnighet, slarv och förhastande ligger bakom mina insatser i 3 tidigare inlägg.  
Ursäkta att jag ev. tagit upp någons tid med sådant!  
Den som ev. kollar mina besked ser (som jag själv i denna stund), att svärfar Konrads förhållande till svärmor Margareta var ett bryllingskap. Inte särskilt dramatiskt.  
Bättre skärpa nästa gång lovar mvh  
Lennart Haglund, Varberg!

[andrew]

Hello,
 
I am looking for descendants of Sjödin:  
 
Nils Sjödin 18 februari 1907 Ytterlännäs  
August Sjödin 18 februari 1907 Ytterlännäs  
Karin Sjödin 9 mars 1908 Ytterlännäs  
Johan Sjödin 1 oktober 1909 Ytterlännäs  
Paul Sjödin 28 januari 1911 Ytterlännäs  
Anna Sjödin 26 december 1912 Ytterlännäs  
 
I am descendant of their grandfather, August Widerström, wish to make contact with my second and third Swedish cousins.  
 
Thanks,  
 
Andrew

[Lotte Berge]

Söker uppgifter om Oscar Emanuel Berge f 1881-09-13 i Ytterlännäs samt h.h. Alma Kristina Andersson f. 1884-06-13 Multrå. De gifte sig runt 1903-04 och ska ha bott både i Ytterlännäs, Överlännäs.  
Söker även Jöns Petter Berges dödsorsak. Han var född 8/3-1845 eller 3/8 och dog 1889-10-20 i Ytterlännäs. Gift 1873-10-27 i Graninge med Maria Magdalena Boman f 1850-06-26. Vet ej när Maria Magdalena dog, men hon finns med i folkräkningen 1890. Tacksam hjälp.

[christina forslöf]

Hej Lotte
 
Jag vet inte om du är hjälpt av följande,som man får fram av cd.n ådalen-99
När Jöns Petter avlider så gifter änkan om sig 1892-09-09, med en Matts Sundin. Hon avlider 1915-01-20 av slag.
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Enligt samma skiva har Oskar Emanuel Berges hustru Alma Kristina, f 1884, efternamnet Bergström.
Dom får 6 barn.
Nu kan det ju finnas fler med samma namn, men inte på cdn.
Hälsningar Christina F