Anderssons who left in 1881 and 1882

[Debbie Senk]

My Great Grandfather Anton Wilhelm Andersson and his father Nils left for America in 1881.  The rest of the family in 1882.  Anton had a brother Johan, and sisters Emma, Ida, and Mathilda.His mothers name was Kerstein.  Anyone with any info on this family, please reply.
Debbie

[Claes-Göran Magnusson]

Do tell us when and where they were born, if you know. These are very common names. The combination Anton Wilhelm is less common, though.

[Don Tuthill]

Hi Debbie!
 
Here is emigration records which I found on the Emibas CD, this CD covers about 75% of the people who were leaving their parish to emigrate to a forign country.
The names in this family match the ones you wrote about above except I have not been able to locate anyone with the name Mathilda and I have not been able to find where this family returned to Sweden and then emigrated a second time in 1882.
 
I have also located the family in the Clergical Survey records (HFL), The family can be found at AI:56, 1876-1882, Norra Förstaden 36, Landskrona, Malmöhus län, page 433. Genline ID: 1292.30.50900  
 
Here are the records I found on the Emibas CD:
Post 475925
 
Andersson, Nils
Snickare (married man)
 
b. 7/10/1839 in Billeberga, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
 
Emigrated 5/25/1882
from Norra Förstaden 36, Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 433
 
Emibas migration file ID: Landskrona M 1882 073
 
Post 475926
 
Persdotter, Kjersti
Hustru (married woman)
 
b. 7/18/1833 in Nöbbelöv, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
 
Emigrated 5/25/1882
from Norra Förstaden 36, Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 433
 
Emibas migration file ID: Landskrona M 1882 074
 
Post 475929
 
Andersson, Ida Maria
Dotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 3/24/1863 in Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
 
Emigrated 5/25/1882
from Norra Förstaden 36, Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 433
 
Emibas migration file ID: Landskrona M 1882 077
 
Post 475930
 
Andersson, Anton Wilhelm
Son (unmarried man)
 
b. 3/30/1865 in Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
 
Emigrated 5/25/1882
from Norra Förstaden 36, Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 433
 
Emibas migration file ID: Landskrona M 1882 078
 
Post 475928
 
Nilsdotter Andersson, Emma
Dotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 2/29/1867 in Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
 
Emigrated 5/25/1882
from Norra Förstaden 36, Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 433
 
Emibas migration file ID: Landskrona M 1882 076
 
Post 475927
 
Nilsson Andersson, Johan August
Son (unmarried man)
 
b. 7/1/1871 in Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
 
Emigrated 5/25/1882
from Norra Förstaden 36, Landskrona, Malmöhus län (Skåne)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 433
 
Emibas migration file ID: Landskrona M 1882 075
 
Hope this helps!
 
Have a nice day!
 
Don

[Debbie Senk]

Hi Don,  
These are my relatives.  I don't know where Mathilda went.  She may have changed her name to Mary when they got here.  Where do you get all this information.  Can I get this CD you talk about.  
Debbie

[Judy Olson Baouab]

You can purchase Emibas but probably Don has provided all the information which pertains to you. It would be far better for you to join Genline, which has scans of the handwritten Swedish parish records. The records were kept in hte parish.
 
http://www.genline.com
 
This site tells more about purchasing Emibas and other Swedish materials.
 
http://www.ancestorsswedish.com/en/products/emigration/p16730949.html
 
Judy

[Jörgen Johansson]

Hi Debbie
I have looked through the parish books and I cannot find any Mathilda (or Mary) there. Is it possible that she was born in the US?
Jörgen

[Debbie Senk]

Hi Jorgen,
Mathilda was born in Sweden. I have the original copy of the passenger contract whick lists her as a child on Kjersti along with Emma, Ida, and Johan.  She was 27 in 1882 when they came here from Sweden.  I can't find her anywhere else either.  They came on The Inman Line.  Passenger Contract no.3977.  Leaving June 9, 1882 from what looks line Caho or Calo to Hull,  Then leaving Hull on June 15 aboard The City of Rome.  That is all I have on her.

[Barbro Sändh]

Hi Debbie,
Along with the other good information you have received I would like to add: Nils and Kersti got married in 1862, March 12, and this is the time when they moved toghether in Landskrona. Kersti did not bring any child along. (If Mathilda was 27 years old in 1882 she must have been born around 1855. In 1855 Kersti was 22 years old and Nils only 16 which probably would exclude him as a father?).
In the church records the first child born by the couple is Ida Maria in 1863. Following the records until they emigrate, I can only find 4 children, the ones mentioned by Don above (hfl AI:38 p 100, AI:43 p 84, AI:49 p 127, 251 and 273, and AI:54 p 234).

[Debbie Senk]

Hi Barbro,
I suppose it is possible that she was not really an Anderson.  Maybe a servant passed off as a child of.  Or maybe a niece or something.  I am at a loss on this one.  I also cant find anything else except for the passenger contract and info from DDD emigration database.  Sure is a mystery
Debbie

[Debbie Senk]

I looked at the Genline ID.  It does a Mathilda a couple of lines down, with another group of people.  I do think that maybe they just put her on the same passenger contract.  I don't think she was part of the family. Thanks for all the help

[Debbie Senk]

Barbro,
 Just for kicks here is the link on Danish Emigration that I found with Mathilda on it.  Let me know what you think.  She is still getting my interest as to who she was.
 
http://ddd.dda.dk/d4/dddweb/udvandrer/asp/udvandr_soeg_uk.asp?navn=Andersson&sti lling=&alder=&sidste_oph_sted=&s_sogn=&s_oph_amt=&best_by=&best_stat=&best_land= &kontraktens_nr=5051&aar=1882&maaned=
 
Debbie

[Barbro Sändh]

Debbie,
I just saw you entry. Looking at the DDD pages it really looks like Mathilda is a child of the family, but then she is probably not. I will look closer into her beings and see what I can find out.

[Barbro Sändh]

Hi Debbie,
The Mathilda found in the Genline record, is a Carolina Mathilda Stenström born 1853. She lived with her widowed mother in Landskrona until her mother´s death some time before the year 1900. Carolina Mathilda was then moved to a home for retarded people. Then it cannot be her.
I´ll see if I can find another suitable Mathilda.

[Debbie Senk]

Thank you Barbro,
She is a mystery to me to as she is on the passenger contract.  Let me know if you find anything else.  Unless  she came with them to be with other family here.
 
Debbie

[Barbro Sändh]

Debbie, I have looked into all the church records I mention above to see if I had missed a Mathilda, but no. The only way is to find out what was written on their arrival to the US. Is Mathilda still with the family? I am sorry I cannot help you there. Maybe someone else?

[Debbie Senk]

Hi Barbro,
How can I get the records for their arrival. Their destination was Grand Rapids or Ashton Michigan.  I can't seem to find any records for that period at those ports.  I may just let her go as the mystery she is. Thanks for all your help
Debbie

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Debbie,
 
The destination was not necessarily the port of arrival. Many of our ancestors traveled by various means (railroad, boats, etc.) to their final destinations after arriving in a port. (Have you ever read Moberg's books? There are four books in The Emigrants series and you can learn how the people in that story traveled to Minnesota after arriving in the port of New York.)
 
As just one example from my family history, my farmor and her sister traveled with a destination of Jamestown (which means the one in New York State). They didn't travel to the port of Jamestown (and there wasn't one, either). I happened to find them in the microfilmed records of the Larsson Brothers ticket agency (Brödderna Larsson). They landed in the port of New York and then traveled by train -- I forget which one. -- by way of Salamanca and then to Jamestown. I have a cd which shows old railroad routes and I could see how that railroad branched off and exactly what towns they passed on their way.
 
This site provides ideas on how to find passenger manifests.
 
http://home.att.net/~arnielang/shipgide.html
 
Judy

[Barbro Sändh]

Hi Debbie,  
I looked at the site suggested by Judy, and I found the passenger list of the vessel City of Rome arriving in New York on June 26 1882. However I could not find the family Anderson there. You can find the list here: http://immigrantships.net/v3/1800v3/romeco18820626_1
It is 7 pages.  
Thanks to Judy for the site. I have put it among my favorite pages.

[Debbie Senk]

Hi Barbro,
 
I just pulled up that same list.  If you look at it again on lines 173,174,175, and 176 on page one.  I believe this is my family.  Names may have been spelled wrong.  They are sometimes depending on how the person transcribing it read it.  Let me know what you think.  I am going to try to put a picture of the passenger contract on the forum.
Debbie

[Barbro Sändh]

Debbie,
Sorry I forgot .html at the end of my paging. Yes I saw these Anderson too, but in 1882 Nils was about 43 years old, his wife Kersti 48, daughter Ida Maria 19, son Anton 16, daughter Emma 15 and little Johan 10 years old. No name nor any age is corresponding, except for John on line 177. Maybe the transcription is wrong, maybe the family. Since it is not possible to see the original passenger list, I do not know.
New thought: supposing Nils and Anton did not come back to Sweden for the family (these two had a certificate to travel to America already in 1881), and the rest of the family left in 1882 and at that point reported the emigration of the whole family to the clergyman, which data eventually would turn up on the CD Emibas. If so, we have a mother and three children, and perhaps Mathilda (?). At least the number of people would be correct, but we still have the discrepancies in name and age...

[Debbie Senk]

I just sent you an email with a scan of the original passenger contract .  all the ages except for Kersti are correct.   Take a look

[Debbie Senk]

Now looking for ancestors of Nils Anderson of this family,Parents, brothers or sisters. Again he was born
10 AUG 1839
Billeberga, Malmöhus län (Skåne) Sweden.  Married  Kjersti Persdotter,she was born 18 Jul 1833
Nöbbelöv, Malmöhus län (Skåne).  I have hit a road block and have to go further into the past.  
 
Any help on either of their parents or siblings would be appreciated.  Thank you