Johannesson, Amanda-Jonkoping, Smaland

[Carol Kemp]

I am trying to find information on my grandmother's family.  Her name was Amanda Johannesson (Jonsson), and she was born on 17 Feb 1862 in Jonkoping, Smaland.  I found a website of the JBGF, Jönköpingsbygdens Genealogiska Förening. (jbgf.se/engindex).  After looking through all the parishes, I found her in Byarum parish.  Her father was listed as Jonas Johannesson and her mother was listed as Johanna Svensdotter.  I looked for earlier births from the same parents and found a son, Klas Gustav, born 11 Sep 1859.  My grandmother immigrated to the US in 1884.  We always spelled her name as Jonsson.  Not until I saw the birth record did I see it spelled differently.  There was also a sister who was called Clara, but I could find no record of her birth.  The only record I could find on my great grandfather was that he was born in 1830 and was married in 1859 in Byarum parish.  I can find nothing on my great grandmother or anything earlier on that side of my family.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

[Elisabet Arvidsson]

This is from Emibas.  
Jonasson, Amanda
Hemmadotter (ogift kvinna)(= home-daughter,unmarried women)  
f. 14/2 1862 i Byarum, Jönköpings län (Småland) (=born)
Utvandrad 29/4 1884 (=emigration)
från Arb.Bost. 6A, Jönköpings Sofia, Jönköpings län (Småland) (=from)
till Nordamerika  (= too)
Källa: Husförhörslängd, s. 79  (=source)
Emibas emigrationsakt: Jönköpings Sofia F 1884 027
 
From Emigraition popular 2006
Amanda Johnsson, age 22 years old, women.
Living in Jönköping parish, F-län (=Jönköping province in Småland)
Travel from Gothenburg 2 may 1884  
to Dallas.
Didn't have compani.  
Source-code: 24:437:32281.
 
CD- census 1890
Jansson, Claes Gustaf (worker)  
born 1859 in Byarum (Jönköpings län =province, Småland)
Married man, Father in the family
Living in: Norra (North) Qvarteret (block)N:o 37B
Jönköpings västra (west)  
Married to:
Nilsdotter, Ingrid Lisa
Born 1860 (9 februari) in Tutaryd (Kronobergs län, Småland)
Married woman, wife in the family
In death-Cd 1947-2006 the husband die 28 dec 1940 and Ingrid die 13 june 1950 in Jönköping. The familyname in this time is JONSSON
Child:
Anna Elisabeth, b 1889 in Jönköping västra.
 
More Children (in census 1900):
Gustaf Erik, born 1891 in Jönköping
Ester Maria, born 1892 in Jönköping
Klas Gustaf work in the factory which do matches in Jönköping (very well-known)
 
The fathers name Jonas (John / Jon / Johannes) is same name in the past. Therefore the giving familyname to the children could spell differently in different time.  
 
It's look like that Klas children didn't get married and didn't get any children, when I searce in the CD of dead people 1947-2006. Could be also wrong.  
 
I hope someone with (for example) Ad-OnLine / Genline can help you more.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av eya 2010-08-25 23:45)

[Carol Kemp]

Elisabet:
I tried to post my message once before but don't think I did it correctly.  So here it is again.
Thank you so much for your prompt reply.  I really appreciate your help.
My family never knew that Amanda had a brother who remained in Sweden.  The mystery is that she had a sister named Clara who also came to the U.S., but we cannot find any records on her.  Amanda settled in Dallas, Texas, and married my grandfather, August Hagg, who was born in Hofva, Vastergotland.  I have found his parents and grandparents but could not find anything on Amanda.  She had 9 children and died at the age of 88.  My mother was also born in Sweden, and I have been able to trace back through her mother's side for many generations with the help of a relative who lives in Sweden.  Again, tack så mycket.

[Elisabet Arvidsson]

Hi again!
 
From CD emigration populär 2006
Jonsson, Clara, 23 years old, woman.
Born 1869/1870  
Living in Jönköping, F-län
Travel from Gothenburg 6 june 1893  
To Dallas Tex.
Didn't have compani
Searce-code: 52:322:58709
 
In Emibas:
Jonsson, Clara Justina
Ogift kvinna (unmarried woman)
Born: f. 11/8 1870 i Jönköping, Jönköpings län (Småland)
Utvandrad 4/10 1893 (=emigrationtime)
från 6 A, Jönköpings Sofia, Jönköpings län (Småland)(=From)
till (to) Nordamerika (Northamerica)
Källa: Husförhörslängd, s. 71 (Source)
Emibas emigrationsakt: Jönköpings Sofia F 1893 123
 
In census 1890:
Jansson, Jonas, Arbetare (worker)
born 1833 in Jönköping västra (west)
Married man, father in family.
Living: Arbetarbostaden 6A in Jönköpings västra.
Married to
Svensdotter (Svensd:r) Johanna,  
born 1834 in Bondstorp (Jönköpings län,
Children:
Alma Josefina born 1866 in Jönköpings västra
Clara Justina born 1870 in Jönköpings västra
Olga Eleonora born 1881 in Jönköpings västra
 
In census 1900:
Jonsson Jonas born 1833 also a worker in the factory which do matches in Jönköping (as the son)  
Living Norra Kvarteret (= the north block) in Jönköpings västra
Married to
Svensdotter, Johanna  
Child: Olga Eleonora born 1881
 
There is no Alma Josefina in census 1900, and can't find her in the death-CD. Mybee she die erlier between 1890-1900.
 
In death-CD 1947-2006:
Jonsson, Olga Eleonora
Sabbatsbergs åld.hem (=living in the elderhome)
Död 2/11 1966. (=die)
Kyrkobokförd i Gustav Vasa, Stockholms stad (Stockholms stad, Uppland).(=living in death-time)
Född 6/3 1881 (ingen uppgift om födelseort) (=born)
Ogift kvinna. (=unmarried)
--------------
Motsvarande kyrkobokföringsförsamling(ar) 1/1 2007:
Gustav Vasa, Stockholms stad (Stockholms län, Uppland)
Källor: DB / DOR 66
 
I hope everything I give you could be tru.
Look in the husförhörslängder in Jönköpings västra, Byarum --- it could be more children (deathborn or die as a baby).
Please, do not take all my information as it is the tru, beacuse I have looked in the second information (the CD:s) and you need to looked in the primary source in husförhörslängder (the right books) in Jönköping to confirm everything before you believe it.  
 
Kind regards

[Elisabet Arvidsson]

Hi again:
 
Jonsson, Jonas die 10 september 1902 in Jönköping Sofia  
Born 25 june 1833.
 
Svensdotter, Johanna die 19 november 1917 in Jönköping Sofia,
 Born 9 august 1834.  
 
This is taken by the work Vivi Bryntesson have made... and it is also a second information.
 
Have a good searce.

[Carol Kemp]

Elisabet:
Thank you again.  You have been wonderful.  I did look through the parish records that I found on the internet but could not find any other children other than the son.  I am almost positive that you have found the right people.  Thank you again.  Carol

[Elisabet Arvidsson]

You can see all the family in  
AD OnLine: SE/VALA/00171 Jönköpings Sofia Al:27 (1881-1889) Bild 83 / sid 79.  (Bild= picture, sid = page)
 
In AD OnLine: SE/VALA/00171 Jönköpings Sofia Al:36 (1889.1897) Bild 77 /sid 71;  
Say that Alma Josefina b 8 june 1866, die 27 november 1891.
Clara Justina b 1870 travel to North America 4 october 1893.  
 
In birth-book; AD OnLine: SE/VALA/00050 Byarum C:5 (1861-1874) Bild 15 / sid 23
Amanda is born 17 februari 1862, Baptist 18 februari 1862,  Living page 15 Brandstorp.  
 
AD OnLine: SE/VALA/00050 Byarum Al:21 (1861-1865) Bild 24/sid 15 The parents and the older brother
Claes Gustaf born 1859  
They travel to Jönköping 19 october 1862.  
Can't find them in Jönköping (imigration-book)

[Carol Kemp]

Elisabet:
 
Thank you so much for your continuing help.  I don't have access to the AD OnLine.  I assume that this is the Arkiv Digital.  It is fairly expensive for me, and as we are already paying for the ancestry.com website, I did not join.
I am looking at a free website that I mentioned in my first posting, JBGF.  I found the record for Amanda's birth, but the records for Alma do not show up.  I double checked today to see if I had missed her, but she is not on that website.  Their records are probably not as complete as the AD OnLine.  They only have births, marriages, and deaths - no census records.
However, I was able to find my great grandmother's (Johanna Svensdoter) birth record in the Bondstorp parish.  As you had given her birth as 9 Aug 1834, I found the record which listed her parents as Sven Gustavsson and Brita Jonasdotter.  So I have more of my family tree now.
Thank you again for your wonderful research.  
You also mentioned a Vivi Bryntesson who has done work in this area.  Is her work available online?
Carol

[Elisabet Arvidsson]

Vivi Bryntesson have done her work in her own computer and sell's her work thrue a copy in differents CD.
 
I also couldn't find the children born in Jönköping.
Maybee some other ancestery-searcher, well-knowing about Jönköpng parish, can answer you.
 
I know that I take the sourch throw Arkiv DIgital OnLine--- But ex you just find them in Byarum parish Al:21 page 15 If someone can copy a photo for you.
Good luck!

[Carol Kemp]

Elisabet:
 
Thank you for all your help.
 
Carol

[Carol Kemp]

Elisabet:
 
I forgot to mention that my grandfather (7 times out) was named Anders Arvidsson, born 1632 in Skaran, Nysatra.  Of course, with all the name changes I'm sure that this is a different family.  This is on my mother's side, which I have been able to trance quite a ways back.
 
Carol

[Elisabet Arvidsson]

Your grandfather (7 times out) Anders Arvidsson's fathers name is Arvid.  
 
And I am married to Arvidsson. My husbands family-name Arvidsson came from his farfar grandfather Arvid Carlsson. I am born with a totaly different family-name.
 
It is like this--
Arvid Carlsson (b,1884) ---> Carl Pettersson (b, 1853)---> Petter Pettersson (b. 1822)---> Petter Carlsson (b.1774) ---> Carl Stephansson (b.1734) ---> Stefan Carlsson (b 1691)---> Carl Ingjeldson (b. around 1655) ---> Ingjeld NN (It doesn't tell the last-name)
 
Can you see the system--- how the swedish make the lastname before 1900. They didn't have family-name as we do know.

[Carol Kemp]

Elisabet:
 
Yes, I see the pattern.  It makes tracing the family back more difficult.  And, of course, they had name changes within the family too.  I saw where there were four sons in one family, each with a different name.  My mother's father was Sjoholm.  When they came to the US, he changed it to Nason.  No one knew where this name came from, until I found out my great grandmother's name was Nassen in Sweden.  And my grandfather's brothers changed their names to Seaholm and Nelson.  I still haven't found all the information on them.  When I looked for my great grandfather, Nils Peter Sjoholm, who also came to the US, I can find him in several census - one time as Sjoholm and the next time as Nils P. Seaholm.  I have not been able to find his date of death or where he died.  Apparently he lost two wives in Sweden before coming here.  He returned for a visit to Sweden at the age of 88 - by himself.  Then he returned here, but I have lost him after that.
 
Thank you again for your correspondence.
 
Carol