Wretlind / Vretlind

[Esther]

Klara Albertina Vretlind
 
This is my grandmother. She was born in 1866 in Råby Rönö. I do no know anything about her family. No research has been done. Can anyone tell me about her_

[Peter Karlsson (Peterk)]

Hello!
I searched the name 'Vretlind' (in the searchbox to the left) and think I maybe found something interesting..
In an older discussion from 1999 (Anbytarforum: Landskap: Södermanland: Efterlysningar: Anna Axelsson is a long familytree (5-6 generations) for a woman named Klara Albertina Karlsdotter Wretlind, born 1866-09-26 in the parish of Runtuna - Runtuna and Råby-Rönö parishes were very close; next to each other in fact..!
Start by looking there (it's in swedish of course) - but if you find it intersting you can always ask more about it.. -Maybe someone can help you with translations if you need.
-They only mention one daughter to this woman (Anna Elisabeth, b.1902-12-31), but they were not sure about that what I can see, so if you don't recognise this Anna Elisabeth, we can hope there were more children in the family too..
Just klick the link I made above to come to that discussion..!
Regards/Peter

[Bernt Bergkvist (Swetrot)]

Dear Esther!
 
My great great grandma was Klara Albertina Vretlind. She was born 26:th of September 1866 in Råby parish, Södermanland, Sweden.  
 
She married Karl Fredrik Karlsson, born 3:rd of January 1871.  
 
In 31:st of December, 1902 their daughter, my great grandma, Anna Elisabeth was born.  
 
I have heard of that Anna Elisabeth should have a brother in USA, David. My grandma Astrid always called him Uncle David, and I guess he is your father, am I right? (I know Astrid was in USA about 10-15 years ago, and met some relatives, maybe you met her?)
 
However, Anna Elisabeth married Martin Leander Axelsson, born 4:th of August 1899 in Tunaberg, Södermanland. They married 1921, and then they lived together for over 70 years. Anna Elisabeth died 3:rd of March 1996. Martin Leander died 18:th of January 1995. I rememeber both of them very well.
 
On of their children is Astrid, born 25:th of February 1925. As said, she is my grandma. She has four children. She has four children togehther with her husband Ingemar Bergkvist; Lars, Kjell, Sune and Anette. I?m a son of Kjell, and I?m born 1971.
 
Peter has wrote about my search for Anna Elisabeth, and he refer to a familytree there. Please, don?t accept it as a true, since I have started to think I have been following the wrong Klara Albertina. Just a few weeks ago I found out the Klara Albertina in that family tree was mentioned as Not Married in 1910 when she lived together with his father. So the ancestors of Klara Albertina Vretlind is still a mystery for me.
 
In fact, I even don?t know anything of the ancestors of Klara Albertinas husband, Karl Fredrik either.  
 
Please, don?t hesitate to mail me, maybe we can found out a lot of things about our family trees. I don?t know anything about my relatives in USA, and if you are the person I belive, I think we can give each other a lot of information.
 
Regards
 
Bernt Bergkvist
swetrot@home.se

[Peter Karlsson (Peterk)]

Till Nyköping är ju inte långt; har du undersökt denna familj Bernt.. -Det fina är att sonen (brodern?) som är född 1867 är det i just Råby-Rönö..!
 
Nyköpings W:a församling [1890]
August Wretlind f. 1842 Wadsbro Söderml. L.  
Hemförsamling: Nyköpings W:a
Hemort: Tredje qvarteret N:o 51
Kontrakt: Nyköpings W:a
Län: Södermanland
Födelseår: 1842
Födelseförs: Wadsbro Söderml. L.
Yrke: Skomak.
Civilstånd: Gift (G)
Kön: Man
Famstkod: Far/man (F)
Hushåll nr: 806
Familj nr: 1
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SVARvolym: 000131  Kort nr: 10
Sida: 54  Rad: 42
 Personer i hushållet:
Fam nr: 1
August Wretlind f. 1842 i Vadsbro, Skomak.
Carol. Josefina Andersson f. 1831 i Forssa, Söderm.län [hu i 2:a giftet]
Fam nr: 2
August Ferd. Wretlind f. 1867 i Råby-Rönö, Skomak.lärl.
Karl Oskar Wretlind f. 1869 i Stigtomta, Skomak.lärl.
 
-Både August och Carolina lever ännu 1900..
 
 
Sedan kunde jag inte låta bli att finna Klara Albertina och Karl Fredrik i folkräkningen även dom, (i Svärta 1900), och då får vi veta att Karl Fredrik skall vara född i Husby Oppunda ! På barnen ser man att de rört sig en del; de två äldsta verkar också bara vara hennes..
 
Svärta församling [1900]
Karl Fredr. Karlsson f. 1871 Husby Oppunda  
Hemförsamling: Svärta
Hemort: Norsmalm
Kontrakt: Nyk. Ö.
Län: Södermanland
Födelseår: 1871
Födelseförs: Husby Oppunda
Yrke: Stalldräng
Civilstånd: Gift (G)
Kön: Man
Famstkod: Far/man (F)
Hushåll nr: 169
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SVARvolym: CL9876  Kort nr: 1
Sida: 14  Rad: 19
Karl Fredr. Karlsson f. 1871 Husby Oppunda, Stalldräng
Klara Alb. Wretlind f. 1866 i Råby-Rönö
Erik Ismael f. 1887 i Vrena [s.h.f.ä.]
Karl August f. 1895 i Husby Oppunda [s.h.f.ä.]
Oskar Fredrik f. 1897 i Nyköping Östra
Gustaf Adolf f. 1899 i Svärta
 
-I samma socken (Svärta) år 1900 återfinns Klaras (bror?) August Ferdinand Wretlind f.1867 Råby-Rönö som dräng i Hyttan, Svärta..
 
 
Går vi till sist till räkningen 1890 så hittar vi i Årdala socken:
 
Årdala församling [1890]
Karl Fredrik Karlsson f. 1871 Husby Opp.  
Hemförsamling: Årdala
Hemort: Källstugan (torp på Stäringe mark)
Kontrakt: Willåttinge
Län: Södermanlands län
Födelseår: 1871
Födelseförs: Husby Opp.
Yrke: Dräng
Civilstånd: Ogift (O)
Kön: Man
Famstkod: Ensamstående (E)
Hushåll nr: 266
Familj nr: 4
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SVARvolym: 000130  Kort nr: 8
Sida: 23  Rad: 8
 Personer i hushållet:
Fam nr: 1
Karl August Andersson f. 1859, Torpare
Anna Charlotta Gustafsson f. 1857
Eugenia Charlotta f. 1889
Fam nr: 2
Gustaf Hilmer Karlsson f. 1873, Dräng
Fam nr: 3
Per Albert Persson f. 1865, Dräng
Fam nr: 4
Karl Fredrik Karlsson f. 1871 Husby Oppunda, Dräng
Fam nr: 5
Eleonora Charlotta Björklund f. 1873, Piga
 
Var Klara Albertina W/Vretlind uppehöll sig 1890 är därigenom svårare att hitta.. -kanske var hon iväg på helt annat håll ett tag; hittar henne inte på några varianter av hennes namn i den sökning man kan göra för alla län på en gång. Dock får hon ju barn i Vrena 1887 och i Husby Oppunda 1895, så där har man ju två dopnotiser & förhörslängder att dyka ned i om det inte visar sig vara rätt i Nyköpingsfamiljen heller..
 
Så lycka till & Good luck!  
Mvh/Peter

[Esther]

Thank you Peter for this information. I will tell you what I do know. I have this paper that my father had written down information on his father and mother and siblings.
 
Father
 
Karl Fredrik Karlsson
born 3/1/1871 Husby-Oppunda
 
Mother
 
Klara Albertina Vretlind
born 12/8/1866 Råby Rönö
 
They were married 7-1-1897
 
Children from this marriage:
 
Oscar Fredrik 19/5/1897 Nyköping
Gustav Adolf 21/6/1899 Svärta
Axel Bernhard 19-8-1901 Svärta
Anna Elisabet 31/12/1902 Runtuna
David Ejnar 3/7/1905 Lid (this is my father)
Edit 1908
Viktoria 1909
 
There were 2 children born to Karl Fredrik Karlsson and ?
 
Erik Ismael born 1887
Carl A  born 1895

[Esther]

Hello Again
I am looking at an official document from Sweden about my father's birth. It says:
Utdrag Ur Fodelse - Och Dopbok
 
David Ejnar  05 07 03
 
Son till:  Statardrangen Karl Fredrik Karlsson 710103 fran Sanda i Lids forsamling och h.h. Klara Albertina f. Vretlind 660812
 
What do the numbers 710103 and 660812 mean?

[Anders Pemer]

It?s the parents? dates of birth, in the same fashion we usually write dates here in Sweden today: 710103 = January 3, 1871, and 660812 = August 12, 1866.

[Stig Geber]

Lars Wretlind, bokhållare i Österfärnebo
 
1795 år får pigan Stina Pierrou i Grönzinka, Österfärnebo ett oäkta barn med bokhållaren Lars Wretlind. Söker närmare uppgifter om hans födelsedata.

[Esther]

In a message from Peter Karlsson dated Nov 23, 2002 he lists the children of Karl Fredr. Karlsson and Klara Alb. Wretlind
 
Erik Ismael f. 1887 i Vrena (s.h.f.å)
Karl August f. 1895 i Husby Oppunda (s.h.f.å)
what do the initials s.h.f.å mean

[Berit Tjernberg]

Hi Esther,
It means that Erik Ismael and Karl August were the sons of Klara Albertina before her marriage with Karl Fredrik Karlsson.
Best wishes / Berit

[Peter Karlsson (Peterk)]

It was s.h.f.ä which must stand for son till hustrun före äktenskapet (son of the wife before (her) wedding)

[Esther]

Thank you Berit and Peter!
 
My father always said that his 2 oldest brothers, Erik Ismael and Karl August were half brothers and had a different mother than he did. Does it say that Klara Albertina Vretlind was their birth mother?

[Esther]

What happened to Bernt Bergqvist? I did send him an e mail as he said he wanted to hear from me in a message dated Nov 23. He is my counsin Astrid's grandson. I never heard from him. Are you there Bernt?