Johannes Jonasson

[Meryth Seybold]

I am looking for  Johannes Jonasson and Sista his wife. They had a son Salomon who was born  Aug 15 1839 in Jämshög Blekinge. The question is. Where does Johannes and Sista come from, and when where they born.   And does Salomon have any sisters and brothers. I have Salomons informations.. Thank you

[Sven&Anita Sjöstedt]

Hello Meryth
 
You have the wrong birth date for Salomon. The correct date, according the birth bok, is 1839-06-08 Hesslehult in Jämshög.
I have found following about his family:
 
Father: Torparen Johannes Jonasson born 1800 in Ljunga.    
1st wife  Ingrid Svensdotter  b: 1794 Nättraby, Blekinge,  died 1836.  
Children: Willena b: 1829 Hallaryd. Elsa b 1835-0-15 Jämshög
2nd wife: Sista Nilsdotter b 1808-11-06 Baggeryd.
Children: Salomon b 1839-06-08, died 1949-10-26, Sven b 1842-06-08.
 
Best regards
 
Sven

[Meryth Seybold]

I must be all wrong.. First Salomon I KNOW died in Jämshög 1880 he   must have been born somewhere else. He changed his name along the way to Svanlind from Jonasson.  He was married to Eva Christina Johansdotter born 1840  She died 1890 and their children went to a (fattighus) in Malmö I think it was.  
 
Thank you  Meryth

[Mats Wallin]

Salomon Svanlind b. 15 Aug. 1839, Vedkärr, Nöbbele.
 
Parents:
Sold. Johan Swärd och hustru Maria
 
Nöbbele C:3 (1834-1860) s.77
 
Corp. Johannes Jonasson Swärd b. 3 Okt. 1811, Gårdsby
Maria Petersdotter b. 4 Dec. 1799, Vederslöv
 
Johan Peter b. 11 Feb. 1836, Nöbbele.
 
Nöbbele A I:12 (1840-1850) s.93
Nöbbele A I:13 (1851-1855) s.90
 
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Folkskolärare (School teacher) Salomon Svanlind died 19 april 1880, Hoby No.28, Östra Hoby.  
 
Östra Hoby F:1 (1861-1889)
 
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Eva Kristina Johansdotter b. 20 june 1840 d. 2 mars 1890, Hoby No.28, Östra Hoby.
 
Östra Hoby F:2 (1889-1894)  
 
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se also  
 
Östra Hoby AI:16 (1876-1881) s.188
 
Jämshög AI:20 (1875-1881) s.626
 
 
MW
 
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[Mats Wallin]

Johannes Jonasson Swärd b. 3 Okt. 1811, Gårdsby  
 
Parents:
Jonas Stoji b. 1777, Växsjö
Kerstin Persdotter b. 1773, Rottne?
 
Catharina b. 6 sept. 1800, Gårdsby
Peter b. 4 may 1802, Gårdsby
Stina b. 12 apr. 1804, Gårdsby
 
Gårdsby C:3 (1802-1838) s.85
Gårdsby A I:4 (1810-1820) s.201
 
Marriage:
 
Jonas Stoji and Kerstin Persdotter  
1 Dec. 1799, Rottne
 
Söraby C:2 (1797-1822) s.177
 
 
 
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[Meryth Seybold]

Where are all these places  Mats?? Does is say that they had a son named Salomon??
 
Meryth

[Meryth Seybold]

OH Thank you A LOT.. I saw the rest of the message ....
 
Meryth

[Björn-Åke Petersson]

To Meryth Seybold
 
Some years ago I did search on the family Seibold in Sweden. The first is known as lighthousebiulder on the island of Öland in 1785 and some of his children came till Victoria, Henry Co, Illinos in the late 1840 th. Allthough it not an swedish familyname I must ask if you have any clue on the background of your och your husbands familyname  
 
Björn-Åke Petersson

[Meryth Seybold]

My Husbands name is Seybold,and he is a decendant of a German  family that came from  South East Germany.Immigrated in to the USA in the early 1800

[Meryth Seybold]

MATS!!
 
Could you tell me if you can find anything about  Salomons Brother  Johan Peter, it is really difficult to find out anything, his name is so common. Did he possible change his name also. I know I am asking a lot, but you seem so good at this.  
 
Meryth

[Mats Wallin]

Hi Meryth
 
About Salomons brother
 
Soldier Johan Swartz b. 11 Feb. 1836  
 
1st wife
Marriage 4 april 1857, Nöbbele
Nöbbele C:3 (1834-1860) s.23
Nöbbele A I:14 (1856-1860) s.371
 
Maria Pehrdotter b. 18 Jan. 1836, Nöbbele. Dead 15 Feb 1858, Kärrs Soldattorp, Nöbbele.
Nöbbele C:3 (1834-1860) s.221
 
Son Pehr August Swartz b. 3 Feb. 1858, Kärr, Nöbbele . Dead 8 April 1858, Kärrs Soldattorp, Nöbbele.
Nöbbele C:3 (1834-1860) s.179
Nöbbele C:3 (1834-1860) s.221
 
Johan changes name to Krans
 
2nd wife  
 
Marriage 31 Dec. 1859, Nöbbele
Nöbbele C:3 (1834-1860) s.27
 
Maria Jonasdotter b. 18/10 1837, Nöbbele.
 
Ida Sofia b. 21 Oct. 1860, Kärr, Nöbbele. Dead 26 Dec. 1864, Torpet Ryssagård, Nöbbele.
Emma Helena b. 28  Sept. 1863, Kärr, Nöbbele.
Johannes August b. 14 Sept. 1866, Torpet Ryssagård, Nöbbele.
Johan Elis b. 12 Oct. 1868, Torpet Ryssagård, Nöbbele.

Nöbbele A I:16 (1866-1870) s.308
 
Corpral Johan Peter Krans and his family moves to Väckelsång parish in October 1870.
 
TO BE CONTINUED...
 
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[Mats Wallin]

The family lives at Väckelsång Skullagård, Väckelsång parish from october 1870
 
Johan Peter Krans (Krantz) b. 11 Feb. 1836
Maria Jonasdotter b. 18 Oct. 1837
 
Emma Helena b. 28 Sept. 1863
Johannes August b. 14 Sept. 1866  
Johan Elis b. 12 Oct. 1868
Anna Carolina b. 27 June 1872, Väckelsång Skullagård, Väckelsång parish
Axel Edvard b. 7 Oct. 1875, Väckelsång Skullagård, Väckelsång parish
 

Väckelsång A I:16 (1871-1875) s.236
 
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Johan Elis dies of scarlet fever October 1, 1877, Väckelsång Skullagård, Väckelsång parish
Väckelsång F:2 (1868-1880) s.137
 
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In April 1879 the famaily move back to Torps Ryssagård, Nöbbele parish.
 
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Maria Jonasdotter dies 7 Oct. 1879, Torps Ryssagård, Nöbbele parish.  
Nöbbele F:3 (1871-1890)
 
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3rd wife
Married 6 Nov. 1880, Uråsa.
 
Helena Christina Sandin b. 16 Aug. 1852, Uråsa.
Väckelsång E I:6 (1867-1880) s.275
 
 
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Emma Helena Krantz emigrate to North Amerika in April 1881
Nöbbele B I:5 (1879-1893) s.19
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The family moves to Uråsa Trottagård, Uråsa parish Sept. - Oct. 1882.
 
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Johannes August Krantz emigrate to North Amerika in Feb. 1885
Väckelsång B I:5 (1881-1894) s.147
 
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Anna Carolia Krantz emigrate to Amerika in July 1887
Väckelsång B I:5 (1881-1894) s.155
 
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Catharina b. 25 Nov. 1886, Uråsa Trottagård, Uråsa Parish.
Parents:
Krantz Johan Peter farmer at Uråsa Trottagård
Sandin, Helena Christina
 
Väckelsång C:9 (1881-1894) s.265
 
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Maria b. 9 Nov. 1889, Uråsa Trottagård, Uråsa Parish.

Väckelsång C:9 (1881-1894)  s.285
 
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1892 Axel Edvard Krantz changes his name to Klingstedt.
He applies to folkskollärareseminarium.
In 1900 census is he titled folkskolärare / teacher.
Unmarried.
 
 
 
MW
 
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[Mats Wallin]

Around 1891 Johan Peter Krantz is tiled Handlande / merchant.
 
In the household exams It is noted (loosely translated):
 
Convicted of two forgery offenses to hard labor in one year and loss of civic trust ...
Released from Växjö länsfängelse 28 Nov. 1893
 

Uråsa A I:17 (1891-1896)  s.56
 
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The Family moves to Södra Sansjö parish in Aug. 1894

[Mats Wallin]

Johan Peter Krantz
 
The family lives at Hensmåla Westregård, Södra Sandsjö parish 1895 -
 
Johan Peter Krantz
Helena Christina Sandin
 
Axel Edvard Klingstedt
Catharina
Maria
 
Södra Sandsjö A I:21 (1891-1895) s.395
 
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In the 1900 census the family lives at Tingsryds järnvägsstation, Tingsås parish
 
Johan Peter Krantz b. 1836
Helena Kristina Sandén b. 1852
 
Catarina b. 1886
Maria b. 1889
 
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MW
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av piggekott 2010-07-12 22:24)

[Mats Wallin]

Maria Lindquist f. Krantz born 9 Nov. 1889, Uråsa parish. Dead 8 July 1963, Tingsås, Tingsryds kn.
Married 25 Jan 1913 to Ivan Lindquist b. 30 july 1883, Piteå stadsförsamling. Dead 30 may 1969, Tingsås, Tingsryds kn.  
 
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Katarina Fransson f. Krantz born 25 Nov. 1886, Uråsa parish. Dead 3 Sept. 1963, Tingsås, Tingsryds kn.
Married 17 Nov. 1912 to Folke Lambert Fransson born 28 Feb. 1886, Väckelsång parish. Dead 3 Dec. 1963, Tingsås, Tingsryds kn.
 
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[Mats Wallin]

Axel Edvard Klingstedt born 7 Oct. 1875, Väckelsång. Dead 25 Nov. 1954, Vadstena.
 
Married 16 April to Rut Ottilia Klingstedt f. Hagberg, born 7 May 1883, Gnarp parish. Dead 1 Jan. 1947, Vadstena.

[Meryth Seybold]

Thank you so very much Mats. You are amazing. Now my daughter can look for relatives right here in USA.  You just do not knwo how thankful we are.  There is just one little detail. We have read somewhere that  Johannes Jonasson Svärd was Hanged,is there somewhere one can verify that?  If he was hanged WHY was he??

[Stefan Dake]

Hello Meryth!
 
Johannes Jonasson Svärd died 18 Jan. 1880. No cause of death is given.
(Nöbbele F:3 (1871-1890).
 
But if he was hanged, it must have been by his own hand. The last execution by hanging took place in 1836. After that the method was decapitation. By the way, no one was executed in Sweden in 1880.
 
Stefan

[Meryth Seybold]

Thank you Stefan. I was wondering if he did something in the military that caused his hanging. because he was kicked out. But this answear my question. HE was Not hanged by the goverment. OUCH Decapitation sounds so VIKING LIKE::LOL
 
Meryth

[Stefan Dake]

Hello again Meryth!
 
Johannes was not kicked out! I think that there has been a misinterpretation of the Swedish word afskedad. (modern spelling: avskedad). Today this means 'kicked out'; 'fired'. But in those days it meant a (honorable)  discharge. Otherwise the soldier was kasserad (discarded) or struken (ur rullorna) (struck out (from the rolls)).
I made some research of his military career last weekend, but for some reason I didn't make any notes. Since then my subscription has expired so the following is as I recall it. (Maybe somebody else with access to the 'Generalmönsterrullorna' (General muster rolls) can fill in the details I've forgotten).
 
Johannes enlisted in 1834 as a corporal with No. 93 in the Life company, Kronoberg regiment. In 1858 (when the rank was introduced) he was appointed distinktonskorpral, the highest rank of corporal. This required some education and an exam, which is also mentioned in the rolls.
I don't remember when he was discharged, but it probably was in the early 1860s when he turned 50, the normal age of retirement.
He received a pension of 48 'riksdaler'/year, the second highest amount.
 
Regards
Stefan
 
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